Gun Rights or Right to Life
Blog: Werner Janssen's blog
January 23, 2010
We continue to experience a most unfortunate increase in gun violence in our country. What is happening in our society? Who or what is responsible for this tragic change? Attacks with guns and all too frequent murders occur on a daily basis somewhere in our country. Even gun violence in North Central Washington seems to be a frequent occurrence. It is likely that more people have been killed by violence in the United States than in either Iraq or Afghanistan during some months during this past year. Until we return civility and peace to our country it makes no sense for other nations to be taught our approach to democracy.
Use of guns to express misunderstood emotions has come out of the closet. Computer entertainment encourages too many people to see violence as the convenient way to become winners. In the past, the fear of disgracing families prevented some violence in our society. Currently, too many people have no pride in family and in fact have no families to share an environment of civility. The loss of hope for our future has created an unfortunate moral vacuum that emphasizes the here and the now rather than working toward positive improvement as we look forward.
When civility is ridiculed and hatred is condoned it is no wonder our society experiences more and more violence. Even if you dismiss Limbaugh or Beck as crude entertainers, their distortions and lies continue to spread a layer of hate and disrespect like fog over our society. When you hear expressions of hate and evil shared each day, it is understandable that an increasing number of emotionally weak individuals will express frustration through violence. Freedom without civility creates anarchy. We have an increasing problem in our society dealing with our personal emotions. Our schools don’t have the time, money or perhaps even the will to help our youth deal with disappointment, depression or loss of hope. How can we encourage change? We must help our youth understand the complexity of emotions. Our youth must be exposed to art, poetry and the impact of “story” to understand what can result through emotional ignorance. Our society has helped to destroy community by overemphasizing individual rights. Violence always increases violence. Violence increases the pressure to remove individual rights. Violence increases the destruction of civility and community. Freedom of speech must be protected but unfortunately it appears as if the freedom we sacrifice to preserve is destroying the democracy we love to celebrate.
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dbllung 2 years ago
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Werner, you seem to project yourself as a prophet. I like to think of you as a liberal. I think you are trying to say ban guns in between all of your cloudiness. You, yourself have hit on the reason for all of the violence in society. It has nothing to do with law abiding citizens that elect to excersize their right to bear arms. Give it up. it is societies fault and not the guns.
wj98802 1 year, 11 months ago
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Werner this country was established based on individual rights. It's liberals like you who make people angry with your socialists views.
Norm 1 year, 11 months ago
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"I think you are trying to say ban guns in between all of your cloudiness. You, yourself have hit on the reason for all of the violence in society. It has nothing to do with law abiding citizens that elect to excersize their right to bear arms." . If he's "hit on the reason", and its not guns, then why do you assume he's saying to ban guns? . " It's liberals like you who make people angry with your socialists views." . Why does the mere fact that somebody doesn't agree with you make you angry? And why do you use the word "socialist" to refer to things that have nothing to do with socialism? . "We continue to experience a most unfortunate increase in gun violence in our country" . Is that your assumption, or is it based on fact? What are the numbers for the past 20 years or so? .
commonsense 1 year, 11 months ago
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"Even gun violence in North Central Washington seems to be a frequent occurrence." . I would be curious to see some research as to the crimes, the volume, and who committed the acts. . I suggest that the research will show gangs in the area are responsible for a good portion, if not major contributors to the level of gun violence in NCW. .
Don 1 year, 11 months ago
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I am really glad I read that. I used to stand for freedom and liberty, but now I think we should confiscate all firearms, knives, garden utensils, and anything slightly pointy, then force-feed everyone with high doses of sedatives and anti-depressants. That would solve a lot of problems.
commonsense 1 year, 11 months ago
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"When civility is ridiculed and hatred is condoned it is no wonder our society experiences more and more violence." . I see civility and spiritualism going hand in hand. I think the single largest destruction in recent history has been the destruction of family and fundamental family values. . Liberal beliefs have had a large impact in our society and how we relate to one another. Traditional family values are scoffed and scorned. Based upon liberal thinking, we have moved away from parents being able to discipline their children with our fear from CPS, arrest or worse. Another example is, as a child, we used to say the pledge of allegiance in school, as well as pray. Teachers were even allowed to give hacks! Now none of that is allowed because it is not “politically correct”. To be honest Mr.Janssen all of the “truly” great works, poetry, books and some art forms have been banned in most schools. . Traditional family beliefs used to be promoted, and enforced, they were used to teach kids a value system, which does not exist anymore, there used to be respect, not only for themselves, but for their elders, for God, country, and their fellow man. . There is no respect anymore, therefore there is no hope.
. If media does nothing except complain about how things are, without positive action, then you are just as responsible. For example; instead of promoting liberal lifestyles, promote families, promote church, promote morals and ethics. Promote giving parents and teachers the power to discipline children without fear of prosecution. Help return our society to one of respect, personal responsibility, and traditional values. .
I probably didn’t explain myself very well here, but I am hopeful you understand what we had, why we had it and how we lost it, in my opinion.
BigA 1 year, 11 months ago
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Story’s like this just make me contribute more to the NRA; I will make the donation on your behalf and stop with the spew of garbage you call an article. Gee could stories like this be why WW keeps losing readers and advertisers.
Gator 1 year, 11 months ago
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Well said, Mr. commonsense.
Norm 1 year, 11 months ago
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"Gee could stories like this be why WW keeps losing readers and advertisers." . Only readers and advertisers that are too ignorant to know what the word "blog" means.
BigA 1 year, 11 months ago
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Please let me use the correct term Norm, blog…. is that better……. sorry it was not to your standards. Thanks for being such a WW scholar.....and Norm get a life.
BigA 1 year, 11 months ago
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This is my feeling on gun control. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0ac_1248909634
Norm 1 year, 11 months ago
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"Please let me use the correct term Norm, blog…. is that better" . No, it isn't. Because you apparently still fail to realize what that means. . Anybody can start a blog on this site: you, me, Mr Janssen, anybody. The WW is no more responsible for what he says than it is for what you say or what I say here. Writing a blog doesn't make someone a paid member of WW staff. So your statement that the WW loses readers and advertisers because of what some random person says is ridiculous; the only reader or advertiser who would seek to punish the WW for a random poster's opinion would have to be ignorant of the fact that none of us here on this forum - aside from a few WW staff members, who are clearly identified as such - are speaking for the WW.
BigA 1 year, 11 months ago
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Blah,Blah,Blah did I hit a nerve Norm
1 year, 11 months ago
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Only the ignorant would respond in a negative manner to such a well written article as Mr. Jansenn's blog. The right wing haters rose their ugly heads again and spoke about religion, god and their rights to have their killing machines. Such hypocrites. Is that really what God wants. I am not a religious person and this is why. Give us guns, war, haters on FOX and talk radio and scare tactics and church- Do you even hear yourselves. Keep listening to their crap of lies and you will never have a positive attitude, no matter how often you go to church
Webfoot 1 year, 11 months ago
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WOW--Candy--"killing Machines"?? "Haters"?? "Ignorant"??
Sounds like you've got an attitude, and issues!!!
1 year, 11 months ago
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"Even if you dismiss Limbaugh or Beck as crude entertainers, their distortions and lies continue to spread a layer of hate and disrespect like a fog over our society". This is so true- what positive messages do they ever say-I can hear them now, 'it's our god given right to carry a gun into a bar and get drunk and shoot you if I think you are going to take my god given rights from me blah blah blah' or the best one yet 'people they are coming for you, lock your doors, we have to protect ourselves from the big bad socialist. Yeah go ahead and carry your big guns just don't "accidentally" shoot someone you really care about
1 year, 11 months ago
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"then force-feed everyone with high doses of sedatives and anti-depressants"
I wholeheartedly agree! The war on drugs has been completely disastrous, and I think it's time we try the opposite, DRUGS ON WAR. Every person who is violent (or spouts violence like Limbaugh and Beck and the rest of the "conservatives") and wants war should be drugged with huge amounts of heroin until they don't feel that way.
Lana1955 1 year, 11 months ago
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No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Interesting thought, aye?
1 year, 11 months ago
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Candy Yankee - Doctors and cars kill more people per year than guns.
. The big issue is you use to be really punished for deliberately using a gun in a crime. You killed someone usually cost you your life. Not a stay at the taxpayer hotel for a few years. There is also the mentality from outside the Country where things are settled with violence that is moving in. Sure, there has always been gun related violence just like all other types of violence but not to the level we have now. Remember, guns don't kill people, people kill people, be it with a gun, knife, car, scalpel, crowbar, baseball bats, etc.
1 year, 11 months ago
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BeenThere- I don't really see the comparison with a car and dr to a gun. Can you explain? Do you really feel comfortable going into restaurant/bar with your family , sitting near some yahoo who is belting down some drinks and has a gun strapped to his hip? That scares the sh out of me. Guns have their place and it isn't in public places.
Don 1 year, 11 months ago
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Candy - With all due deference to your passionate opinion, the scenario you are depicting is only intimidating to people who already fear firearms in general. When you see someone with a firearm, your mind turns it into a problem because you don't like guns and that makes you not like anyone who has a gun. Albeit a little discriminatory, that isn't right or wrong. It is just the way you are. . On the other hand, I grew up around all kinds of firearms, have spent lots of time in hunting camps, etc, so when I see someone with a firearm I don't instantly assume they are a bad person who represents a danger to me or my family. By that same token, it doesn't really compute for me there are people out there who would automatically feel that way about me.
Annsboy 1 year, 11 months ago
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Lana, thanks for the Jefferson Quote, right to the point.
1 year, 11 months ago
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"BeenThere- I don't really see the comparison with a car and dr to a gun. Do you really feel comfortable going into restaurant/bar with your family , sitting near some yahoo who is belting down some drinks and has a gun strapped to his hip?" . Do you really feel comfortable going into restaurant/bar with your family, sitting near some yahoo who is belting down some drinks and has his car keys in his hand? . Don't blame the instrument when it is the person in control that is the problem. By the way, I have seen many, many more drinkers who drove to get the drink than I see people drinking with a sidearm strapped on their side. I fact, I have never seen a drinker with a sidearm. But, I don't go to bars much.
1 year, 11 months ago
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So- called "Gun Violence" is a term the Brady campaign and mainstream media came up with to scare the masses into thinking guns were evil.There is no such thing.Violence is just that,violence.No need to tack on the word gun to make it more dramatic.
As far as bashing Glen Beck,it just goes to show what side of the fence the writer is on.The left doesn't like Mr. Beck because he exposes their dirty laundry and tells the truth.
If you want examples of real anger and hate then listen to the nut job,Keith Olbermann and a rash of other progressive loons who foam at the mouth when they speak.
I think folks who are frightened of guns need to get over the fear and see a psychiatrist. People across this nation carry daily.They harm no one.Its the criminals you people should be worrying about.Not the law-abiding citizens packing at Starbucks and elsewhere.
1 year, 11 months ago
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you are wrong Glory, I do NOT like glenn beck because--- he lies,he uses scare tactics to people who tend to be predisposed to a crazed cult leader and he uses a tacky chalkboard that's secondary school level and he's not even funny, just a joke. There doesn't have to be a "fence". Why can't you realize that most Dem want to work together, meet in the middle, compromise as a marriage so to speak. You talk as tho you don't care what anyone has to say as long as they are on your side of the stupid f fence. That way you all can do what you do best Object Object Object and not even listen.
1 year, 11 months ago
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"BeenThere- I don't really see the comparison with a car and dr to a gun." It is called "odds," a statistical term meaning you have a greater chance of dying from a car or Dr than a gun. Pretty simple.
artmann 1 year, 11 months ago
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I'll have to admit Candy you are probably funnier than Glenn Beck. This is a gut buster "Why can't you realize that most Dem want to work together, meet in the middle, compromise as a marriage so to speak" . Have you been paying attention to anything going on in the news lately? The Stinky healthcare bill the Dems, tried to RAM through...? This makes your statement look very crazy, sorry.
artmann 1 year, 11 months ago
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How come Ted Nugent seems to have more common sense than any Liberal has ever imagined. You gotta love this interview he doesn't want REPEAT offenders, he wants dead offenders. . http://biggeekdaddy.com/miscvideos/TedNugent.html .
rustypip 1 year, 11 months ago
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this may sound cliche but it is the truest statement ever guns dont kill people people who pull the trigger do
1 year, 11 months ago
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What Candy doesn't understand is we have a Constitution and there is no "compromise" when it comes to our rights.Its a shame some people these days grow up with no real conception of what it is to be an American.
What part of "Shall Not Be Infringed" do they not understand.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants;they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides,for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."-Thomas Jefferson
BigA 1 year, 11 months ago
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Candy next time you’re drinking your latte at Starbucks and god forbid a person enters the establishment and starts firing, what are you going to do? Hopefully there is a patron that does not feel as you and thinks it’s his/her right to have a LEGAL gun on their person and uses it to save your life and others. Candy I would also like to point out that in order for a person to LEGALLY carry a concealed firearm in Washington State they must go through various hoops to obtain a CCL. Often these individuals do not stop with just obtaining the license as they go through countless hours of training on the operation of firearms and so forth. I know for myself I actually spend more time at the range firing weapons than do law enforcement officials.
Annsboy 1 year, 11 months ago
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Gotta love the motor city mad man!
1 year, 11 months ago
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You guys don't impress me- You just validate the fact that you need to have your gun on your hip to make you feel like a man. A tetosterone booster I don't care if you have it at home. I don't want to see it in public at a Starbucks. Big A- I don't live in a paranoid world where I think any establishment I go into could have a shooter. Sounds like you watch too much Hannity or Beck or listen to Limbaugh. Glory, I probaby Know the constitution better that you and I am sure Thomas Jefferson never had an idea how civilized people were going to be living some day.(too busy with the slaves) These are not those times and.It always cracks me up when you right wingers live soooo far in the past. We are not at war in our own country except from the likes of you. I would be embarrased to call myself an American with your closed thinking. Thankfully we have a President that is open to all. By the way, Keith Obermann is hot!
1 year, 11 months ago
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Whats even worse is people like you who want to suppress peoples rights with what you claim is a more civilized way of life.
"A president open to all" you claim?Name one thing hes done that's been good for the country.He can't even run his own party.Its all falling apart faster then you can say the word fail.
The mere sight of a gun shouldn't terrify you so much.Your the one that clearly has a problem with a Constitutional right to bear arms.That's your opinion but the majority of Americans are against you on that.If they were on your side you would get your way. Thankfully you never will.We have a Constitution that sees to that.
The good thing is that Starbucks stood on the side of those that are exercising their right to carry.
1 year, 11 months ago
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WOW actually the mere sight of a gun does terrify me. I don't believe the majority of Americans want to see guns displayed on your inflated guts so you can show off that is the only way you can be tough. The welcome message-DON'T MESS WITH ME-I'M A PACKIN. ha ha.As I said before, I don't care if you have them in your home or if you decide to kill innocent animals for meat you don't need, I just don't want to see them on your hip in public, and why do you do it? duh because I can. Intelligent. By the way Martin, is ''packin em'' a naughty word too that u are going to turn me in for?
1 year, 11 months ago
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Ron Glory "A more civilized way of life'', And how would I be suppressing your rights? That is just crazy and ridiculous, actually downright all laughing. You must not have many rights now!!! Having a gun in the open only invokes violence. People do not feel safe seeing you walking around with your side arm. This is not the old wild west.
BigA 1 year, 11 months ago
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Candy, before you start with the name calling and such, I suggest you do some research before you start making snide comments about people, as it only makes your points weak and makes others question your character. If you would have researched what CCL means you would have found out it means CONCEAL CARRY LISCENSE, point being I can have a gun concealed, out of sight, and you would not even know I'm carrying a weapon till it was revealed in an emergency.
Never said the guy would be carrying a weapon in plain view. Nice try turning my remarks around to try and benefit you though. Look at that, I was able to make my point with out name calling.
Gator 1 year, 11 months ago
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Candy, Sorry, I'm coming into this conversation late, but (and I apologize if this is not the case) it seems like every thread on this WW forum has one poster that defies the majority for the simple reason of creating inflammatory responses and/or get attention from the other posters. I often wonder if the World has a "poster" whose job it is to act as a random citizen who is dead set on insulting everyone else, simply to get people interested in reading these forums, and therefore reading their paper. . Your arguments are completely baseless and pointless - over and over, you state your aversion to an open carry gun system, yet have no support for denying that right, other than that guns "promote violence". Which is of course, an anthropomorphism, considering that a gun is simply an inanimate object. . Also, insulting comments comparing a gun to a security blanket or a macho-man testosterone-symbol does nothing to promote your cause, since our society, especially the liberals, are continuously trying to create values in our country that ensure that no one's feelings or emotions are ever offended. Therefore, if you tried to take away a person's "manhood replacement", then you are being hypocritical to the "PC" movement - you are trying to take away a person's right to be who they want to be.
1 year, 11 months ago
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Excellent post Gator.
Its interesting how Cindy trolls and assumes everyone who carries a gun is a man and is over weight.A good deal of women carry to.
I also fail to see how carrying a gun provokes random violence.That is a load of hogwash.Please present facts to back this claim up.I have carried for years.There have been no acts of this violence that you speak of.My gun has not jumped off my hip and assaulted someone in all those years.
Whats with these people who refer to firearms as weapons.We have millions of firearms in this country and the majority of them are never fired in anger and never harm anyone.Firearms are not weapons they are tools.Again we have mass media at work and the anti-gun left promoting a term they have created over the years to terrorize the masses.
BigA 1 year, 11 months ago
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Good points Gator and Ron.
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1 year, 11 months ago
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Candy, I haven't been back to this post for a few days because of the Valleys good ole boys attitude. Even though you seem like you just want to express your freedom of choice, they are so black and white they really should be living in parts of Idaho. There you can walk the streets with your rifle slung over your shoulder at a young age. would do a daddy proud. post me back, I'll send you to a friendly site. peace
1 year, 11 months ago
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You touched on everything I wanted to say Martin so I will leave the floor open.Big thumbs up.
1 year, 11 months ago
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Big thumbs down what about New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Iowa, California. The only reason. Look up the Ellensburg case in 2005 he walked around Fred Meyer with a cocked, locked gun in his waistband, caused alarm with the employees and was arrested. Washington laws are from the Black Panther movement in the late 60's to protect the people in Seattle. It is being looked at now to change. Other states are seeing it, it is just a matter of time
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mommy09 1 year, 11 months ago
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I have sat here and read every single post, and could not stand not commenting.
Candy- Although I understand your personal reasoning for not choosing to own a gun, I do not understand your utter disgust with those of us that do. You also have made the comment that the only reason that these people on here chose to "pack" is to fulfill some lack of testosterone. I have to respectfully disagree with your comment.
I am a twenty-something female, I have taken the proper training to handle and own a firearm. I have gone through the entire process Washington State requires to carry a concealed weapon, and I am proud to say I do "pack". That does not mean that I am a trigger happy crazy just waiting for my opportunity to blast away. I am a young female that travels often by myself for work and I feel much safer knowing that I have a way to protect myself. I wanted you to be aware that you are wrong in making the "good 'Ol' Boys statement. Men are not the only gender to carry guns legally.
I would also like you to know that I do everything in my power to ensure that I take every safety precaution when I am carrying. I want you to understand that those of us who have CWP's are legally allowed to and we have had to go to great lengths to obtain said permit. We do not take that lightly and I am sure that anyone who has a CWP agrees that we would never use out gun, unless absolutely necessary.
BigA 1 year, 11 months ago
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Gator, I have been observing something here, I think your statement about WW using “plants” to spice up the conversation is dead on. Have you noticed that certain people on here seem to have a lot of free time on there hands and basically dominate a blog with responses, usually in a negative manner? I have also noticed that when the spot light is now on them and a disagreement evolves, they cower away and tend to disappear rather quickly. Then a new blog appears and the same ole song and dance starts again. It's pretty obvious what WW is up to? Gee can we figure out who the WW staffer is on this blog?
Gator 1 year, 11 months ago
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SpringFever said, "There you can walk the streets with your rifle slung over your shoulder at a young age" - That is also completely legal here, too. . You cited a case in Ellensburg, that you were trying to use to support against open carry of a firearm, but the fact is that the person open carrying that firearm was not charged, and the only reason the police could detain him was the ambiguity of the law as it is written. He had the gun in a "Mexican carry" - in his waistband, which was the only real gray-area of the whole incident, otherwise there was nothing illegal about what he did.
. Private companies have the right to refuse to allow a person who is open-carrying to enter their premises, but Fred Meyer is relatively gun-friendly in that respect, and the employees that were interviewed afterward had no problems with this man, who was a local of the Ellensburg area. . I couldn't decide whether your vague comments about the Black Panthers were pro- or anti- gun control, but the fact is that there is current legislation to clarify the wording of the open carry laws in WA and other states, which will make it EASIER to open carry, not harder. . You have heard the pro-open-carry policies that Starbucks has adopted in the last few weeks, haven't you?
Gator 1 year, 11 months ago
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LOL, BigA! . There are people who post on here that have great points, even if I don't agree. . But there are other people (who always seem to be the minority on the subject) who insist on not only making their unpopular and un-supported point, but also on insulting everyone else along the way. . I'm not sure about the WW "mole", but you are right - it's a little "fishy"...
vikz1911 1 year, 11 months ago
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candy i have read your other comment on another article involving a firearm and you mentioned what happened to you and your friend, again i'm sorry to hear that but think about it for a second, if there was a person that is legally allowed to carry when that horrible incident happened don't you think the out come will be different? or heck just think if you or your friend was carrying(I'm assuming you CAN get the CCP pemit) wouldn't you think the out come will be different too? I carry to protect my family if i had too, its always better them (the bad guys)than me when it comes to selfpreservation..Yes i used to live in CA where its next to impossible to get a carry permit, but guess what the gang member don't care about the law, having a CCP permit just even out the playing field, only difference us CCP holders are legally allowed to carry compared to the thugs and criminals..again try moving to california you'll fit right in ,just basing on your out look on guns..
riderofthestorm 1 year, 11 months ago
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It would seem that, even after nearly 2 months on this site and plenty of arguing, people on both side completely missed the point of the blog entry. Some see it as an attack on gun rights and their freedoms, or as some say "the march of socialism". Others decry guns as needless weapons of destruction.
Although, if you set your emotions aside, it is pretty clear what the point of the article is.
BaseballGrrl 1 year, 10 months ago
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The humanistic view point of "whatever is right for me is right" is destroying us. We have created a no consequence society for the most part.
We have a destroyed family unit that used to function to raise up kids to be contributing members of society. Now, as consumerism becomes the way of things, parents are at work, so kids are raised by the tv and video games, or they just hang out with their peers. There's no training, no guidance, and clueless parents who don't even know what their kids are up to, even if they did have it in mind to teach and train. The family unit has fallen apart.
Sex is a thought of as personal right, a necessity, but responsibility is not, leaving children fatherless and a single mom who has to work to keep a roof over her kids' heads. (or the other way around) A return to moral values instead of "if it feels good do it" would work wonders on our lives.
Rovingarcher 1 year, 10 months ago
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Don't you just love it?Barry McGuire once said it folks..If you don't recall it, Google "Eve of Destruction"Maybe it's time to sit back and really look at the world Werner, and the mess we are creating for ourselves.Your old enough to remember...Shot Guns in the windows of our pick up trucks, so after school we could go hunting(we never shot teachers),the fishing trips with your dad, and uncle ,being home before the street lights came on.You didn't back talk a teacher because he could smack your butt and dad would give it to you twice as hard if you told him?Now,lets take all the fun times outdoors away,throw your kids a computer,hand them a cell phone,then look at your justice system.A system that voted in the death penalty,but always makes up some half assed excuse not to use it.Don't blame guns,guns are only as smart as the idiot on the other end.I had a sister in-law and her friend shot and left for dead on a back logging road in Shelton.The three people who carried out this stupid act are on the streets today,after serving less than 15 years.Lets follow up on Jerry Sissons murderers, and see how long it takes for them to walk.Funny how life is.A cougar attacks a human, we kill it.Sorry to say Werner,if all goes as Barry once said, rougher times are yet to come.I'll keep my guns thank you.
pollyana 1 year, 10 months ago
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this has nothing to do with this subject but does anyone know where I can find old news such as the boy at wenatchee high school getting beatup???
Olivia 1 year, 10 months ago
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When our forefathers signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776 we were at war with England. That would be a logical reason to bear arms to protect us from the Red Coats. Now we are no longer at war with England, but we can't get rid of the idea that we have the right to always bear arms. The people getting a hold of guns these days are criminals, and that would be a logical reason to get rid of them. I live a peaceful life now up in the mountains, but when I lived in town I was shot at, I witnessed a drive by shooting where the guy almost killed my family and me, when my children were young had a home invasion robbery, and also came a crossed a guy dead with a bullet in his head leaning up against a palm tree just sitting there. When our forefathers signed the bill of rights they had no idea what this country was in for. Too much violence, God says to love one another how can you when your so paranoid you have to have a gun to protect you?
1 year, 10 months ago
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Now we are no longer at war with England, but we can't get rid of the idea that we have the right to always bear arms. The people getting a hold of guns these days are criminals, and that would be a logical reason to get rid of them.
That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard here.Just look to the UK and Australia for the answer.Gun bans and high crime rates.Take away guns and only criminals have them.I prefer options and as I have said many times before what part of "Shall Not Be Infringed" do you not understand?We have the right to bare arms to see to it that tyrants do not take over this country.Far beyond our war for independence.They knew exactly what may lay in our future.Those rights are there to see to it that we are never taken advantage of again.You go ahead and put your full trust in god.God isn't going to save you from the monsters outside bent on robbing and raping your children,wife,and or kill/them and you.
Rovingarcher 1 year, 10 months ago
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Good words Martin.I also live in the hills, and never leave home without my gun.Not because I'm going to Wenatchee and want to impress the gangs.When I start up my driveway when I return,I'm never sure who will be there waiting for me.Some robbers would rather shoot you than do time.It's my hopes Olivia, that your Rose colored glasses never get fogged up when you return to your mountain retreat.
Olivia 1 year, 10 months ago
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glory we had the right to have slaves too. All though maybe not on paper. Does that make it right? And George my tazer and bear mace will do.9 out 10 shootings are criminals using guns not home owners. There's nothing else I could really say those are the facts based on our subscription to the Wenatchee World and the Seattle Times. Not to mention Fox and CNN. I understand you believe what you believe, but I believe we are in God's hands.
Gator 1 year, 10 months ago
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Olivia said, "9 out 10 shootings are criminals using guns not home owners." . Maybe I'm missing the point, but doesn't this statement completely contradict everything else you have said? You are stating that 90% of all shootings are done by criminals? First of all, without proper citations, that seems inaccurately low. Second, that simply supports the fact that most home owners (whether they own guns or not) are generally law-abiding citizens. . So what, exactly, was your point? .
Olivia 1 year, 10 months ago
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Martin, God didn't create guns, man did out of fear. I wouldn't have experienced such violence if they were harder to get. God tells us to love one another not hate and kill. That is from the devil. You should read the bible once in a while it's amazing what peace God brings you. I only need my Tazer and bear mace and it won't get jammed when I try to use it in emergency. And I don't have to worry about my teenage children using it as well.
1 year, 10 months ago
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I may not be overly religious but there is plenty of self defense and yes that means justified violence in the bible on the side of god.Yes I do think god was fine with good humans killing evil ones.In fact I know so.That's a great thing cause I value my life and those around me and will defend myself and them should I need to.
1 year, 10 months ago
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Olivia said, "9 out 10 shootings are criminals using guns not home owners."
Please provide facts to back up this claim.You really need to stop surfing the Brady Campaign website and believing everything these loons preach/
1 year, 10 months ago
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"God didn't create guns, man did out of fear." God gave man the capacity and means to make weapons since the beginning of time. Didn't it start with Cain and Abel? Wasn't it God who in effect caused the first murder by his actions and did nothing to stop it? " I only need my Tazer and bear mace and it won't get jammed when I try to use it in emergency." Have you practiced using your tazer or mace? Do you know the range and where to hit? Do you "open carry" these weapons?
1 year, 10 months ago
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Olivia (Newton John) says...
" I only need my Tazer and bear mace and it won't get jammed when I try to use it in emergency."
Well that's nice but I will rely on something designed by the genius,John Browning for my protection in 45acp.
Olivia 1 year, 10 months ago
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Martin,
I've owned 3 guns in my life, I got rid of them for my children's sake. And if god brings you peace then you don't need to have a violent weapon in your house. There are other alternatives that can be used successfully. Get off your soap box, if you have god in your life then you don't need a gun. By the way god created Hitler too, and if you read the bible you will also see he created the devil as well.
1 year, 10 months ago
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I have my guns mainly for recreational purposes and to protect me from the "Cains" of the world cause I know God won't. Tazers are easy to take away from someone and bear mace is a joke.
1 year, 10 months ago
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Olivia (Newton John) says...
Martin,
I've owned 3 guns in my life, I got rid of them for my children's sake.
"Its for the children they cry!"
Thing is like a lot of Americans that enjoy firearms,I've been around them since I was 4.I had enough common sense to know I wasn't allowed to handle them unless supervised.No accidents or tragedies occurred.Education is an important thing.Teach this kids as early in their life as you can.Firearms make for great family recreation.Pack an ice cheat and head to the range for a fun day of shooting.Children are not at all endangered with proper education and safety.
Gator 1 year, 10 months ago
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"Get off your soap box, if you have god in your life then you don't need a gun." . Possibly, if everyone on earth "had god in their life", and everyone strictly followed His principles, then the above statement may be remotely plausible. But I can't seem to recall a home-invasion incident EVER having been averted by the home-owner yelling "Stop! I'm a Christian! (or Jew!) (or Muslim!)" .
rickomatic 1 year, 10 months ago
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In honor of Easter weekend and in light of some of Olivia's preachings, here is a Bible passage she should study.
Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?" "Nothing," they answered. He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment." The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied. (Luke 22:35-38, NIV)
Olivia 1 year, 10 months ago
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The only time I need it is when I do come across a bear which happens to live about 1 mile away. I don't need anything or any one except god to protect me and I truly trust in him alone. I trust that Jesus will protect me from Lucifier you get off your soap box. I doubt a gun would work fighting Lucifier as well. LOL
girlfawkes 1 year, 10 months ago
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"And George my tazer and bear mace will do." . Take guns away from law abiding populace and your tazer and bear mace will be next on the list. Then you'll be on the defensive side of this argument, wondering why some wacky person doesn't want you having them and why they are saying criminals use them and so no one should possess them.
girlfawkes 1 year, 10 months ago
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"The only time I need it is when I do come across a bear which happens to live about 1 mile away. I don't need anything or any one except god to protect me and I truly trust in him alone." . Except when it comes to bears... they must be out of god's league.
Olivia 1 year, 10 months ago
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A bear is different then a human being. God says two commandments love your god and love your neighbors as you love yourself. Looks like a lot of insecurity issues here. I don't need from anyone, but the lord and my husband of 19 yrs.
Rovingarcher 1 year, 10 months ago
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Olivia, just for your own peace of mind,if that bear that lives a mile away decides he wants you for a snack or a buffet(whichever it may be) The chances of that happening would be nill .When your bear spray expires, save your money.
1 year, 10 months ago
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"Olivia, just for your own peace of mind,if that bear that lives a mile away decides he wants you for a snack or a buffet(whichever it may be) The chances of that happening would be nill .When your bear spray expires, save your money." . That is what I was thinking. No doubt it is a black Bear and is more scared of her than she is of it. If it is a sow w/ cubs, that spray isn't going to do her any good, even if she gets a chance to use it. But, then again, a gun may not help either. But, against the "Cains" of the world, a gun will change their mind much easier than mace or a tazer. Chances are, you won't even have to fire a shot where as you may get to try to use your mace or tazer before they take you out.
lovelyperson 1 year, 10 months ago
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martin or anyone else who is battling with oliva! i personaly know that her and her husband own a 22 pistol they bought for safty! my husband has taget practiced with her husband on there property several times! we believe in gun rights and own a few ourselfs this is a load of CRAP! and her love they neighbor comment if you read a nother blog on here called the bright lights on badger mountin this is them displaying their love for there neighbors. they like to quote the bible in many rong interpatations and twist the scriptures to fit there needs(whoo i feel better now) lol
girlfawkes 1 year, 10 months ago
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Well, I gave it up because I felt I could have a more sensible conversation with a rock.
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